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Judea Pearl wrote a superb article (originally for an Arab Web site) explaining that Palestinians who support a two state solution and demand a state are in effect, supporters of Zionism, and pointing out that the crucial question is not what borders Israel should have, but whether Arabs would accept even a postage-stamp sized Jewish state.

The article is posted here:

http://www.zionism-israel.com/zionism_postage.htm

You are welcome to comment below.

[feraltek]

[quote="scopus"]Judea Pearl wrote a superb article (originally for an Arab Web site) explaining that Palestinians who support a two state solution and demand a state are in effect, supporters of Zionism, and pointing out that the crucial question is not what borders Israel should have, but whether Arabs would accept even a postage-stamp sized Jewish state.[/quote]

Pearl imagines he discovered a semantic rabbit in a statistical hat and 54% of Palestinians have tricked themselves into becoming Zionists. As Arafat said after making a statement at the UN which was not 200% genocidal "do you want me to pull down my pants next" which is Arab street-talk meaning do I have to prove whether I'm circumcised or not.

"Two state solution" means Israel doesn't exist if Palestinian statehood doesn't exist. It's a nuanced diplomatic way of continuing the Arab fantasy that Israel doesn't exist, and can not exist without Arab permission. If "in favour of a two state solution" had any real meaning they would speak of their half-Nakba in 1948, and compliment Israel on successfully executing half their wishes.

Gary
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"You will see how we turn everyone's values upside down simply by attacking Jews" - Mr A. Hitler

[Ratna]

Hi,
I think Pearl wants to explain that Zionism and a two-state solution are perfectly compatible. If you are a Palestinian and wants self-determination, this doesn't mean automatically that you cannot support Jewish self-determination (e.g. Zionism) as well. The main cause of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict therefore is not that Palestinians want self-determination which would be impossible because Israel prevents it, but that Palestinians and other Arabs are against Jewish self-determination. As the article said, they didn't even accept a Jewish state of the size of a postage stamp.

[feraltek]

[quote="Ratna"]Hi,
I think Pearl wants to explain that Zionism and a two-state solution are perfectly compatible. If you are a Palestinian and wants self-determination, this doesn't mean automatically that you cannot support Jewish self-determination (e.g. Zionism) as well[/quote]

Pearl wrote 'Therefore, anyone who endorses the now fashionable two-state solution also endorses the aims of Zionism, and might as well be called a "Zionist at heart".'

Tell the 54% of Palestinians who answered yes to a two state solution that they are now Zionists. At best they'll just laugh at you. They know the power of nuanced language. It's the use of language I'm referring to, not what might become an actual solution. The phrase "two state solution" implies that one state which has been in existence for over half a century and another which is still just a daydream have equal status, that they both depend on each other before either exists.

For Israel and Palestine it was a valid statement in 1947. In 2005 it's a pretence that everything is still as it was in 1947. If someone had said they favour the second state solution, that's an acknowledgement that one state already exists.

Quoting Pearl again - "the now fashionable two state solution". Pearl understands that this phrase is a piece of dressing, and, with a touch of irony, takes it into the realm of Zionist daydreams where Palestinians have bacome Zionists. That's what the article is, a Zionist irony about a fashionable nuanced diplomatic phrase. It's not an article about an actual solution. It's an article about language and implied ideas.

Gary
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"You will see how we turn everyone's values upside down simply by attacking Jews" - Mr A. Hitler

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